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You are using an out of date browser. I can only see negatives. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. JavaScript is disabled. 1948 -. JavaScript is disabled. "Great" means "large", not "very good". I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Heh. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. Erm are you sure about that? The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. Home Forums They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". Nothing to bring it all together. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. All Regions. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". Because it's not going to be the same as BR. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . It's the name of the island ffs. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Wholely agree. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. They are an intercity operator. The first Class 31 entered service in November . The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. Something timeless. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Then theres the question of livery. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? Messages: 1,398. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. Likes Received: 1,930. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . True. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? The Union Jack will represent. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. Apple Green. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. Job done. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. The attachments illustrate this. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. 3 Apr 2022 . But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. I suspect not many. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Brunswick Green. The name is still awful though and far too long. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. There have also been subtle font changes. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. Swiss rail. JavaScript is disabled. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. But do we really want to go back to that? Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. I'm inclined to disagree. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. JavaScript is disabled. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. Not so much the modern LNER though. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Western. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Free delivery for many products! Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. Correct. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? 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