He said something to the effect that Charlie had a very strong case and that there was pretty much no evidence against him. People V. Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, & Van Houten, Manson Life-Style Changes After Move From Death Row, Manson Follower Recalls His Life of Crime at Sanity Hearing, No 'Family' Exists, Media Created It Manson Testifies, 'You Better Pray I Never Get Out,' Manson Friend Tells Sanity Trial, 4 Manson Followers Convicted in Hawthorne Robbery-Shootout. And IF a soldier goes out NOW and shoots-up the town, it's likely because HE has PTSD.I recently heard that the police chief of a major city was going to bring in "grief" counselers to treat his officers for mental "trama," because some of THEIR buddies were KILLED in a shoot-out with a crazy guy. It is amazing to me how many people express feelings such as sympathy about people like Leslie and Linda Good, bright people in some cases?? ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. Of course that's his job. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I didYou didn't offend at all.I'll stop now. :)I'm putting myself in time out for awhile lolHave a great weekend. Same with Shea. As soon as he enters the LaBianca house, ties them up tells them not to worry it is only a robbery he is done. There are so many times when he asks Linda if she has understood the question. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 div.. 1966). "HS in it's entirety, with all it's separate parts and attendant packages were clearly part of her thinking.Dreath saidI still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or somethingIn her 2011 hearing, she said "When I went to the house with Tex (inaudible), I should have immediately left. "Furthermore, to varying degrees the women believed in their cause. Afterwhich, Manson dropped Linda, Sadie, and Clem off at a Venice Beach apartment complex. Blacks and whites died in roughly the same proportion as percentages in the general population. Sanctimonious, elitist narcissist is more like it. When he meets up with or has contact with Pat, she waives extradition, even though she's told Claude Brown she's scared of Manson finding & killing her. She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. As these are total strangers- I feel pity only for those who actually deserve it. Funny how his client shortly after turned out to be the best evidence against himWhat's so funny about that ? I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. She seems to have done the exact opposite of Linda with her life- which just goes to show you, even in the worst of circumstances- people can make their own fate. var part3 = "GW at Mansonblog dot com"; It was through Melton that Linda first met Manson family member Catherine Share (Gypsy). 'Now is the time for HS' only works if you have three parts: (1.) Thing is though, it can be hard to spot or be conclusive at the time because it feels kind of heavy to assume a child or teenager is on the road to ruin due to things they might have done or be doing that haven't yet bloomed into something that everyone holds their heads in their hands about.That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet..Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled seniorI don't think you were being any more cynical than anyone else gets when discussing Mrs K and I don't think she was a nursing home aide out of some strong desire to replicate Florence Nightingale. If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. I think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit today. She married twice and had a baby girl, Tanya, with her second husband, Robert Kasabian. Linda married Robert Peasley when she was only sixteen-years-old. When her second marriage, to Armenian American Robert Kasabian, began to sour, Kasabian and her baby daughter, Tanya, returned to New Hampshire to live with Linda's mother. Not even in her Grand Jury testimony did Atkins say anything. All I am saying is that if your going to make a case for sympathy or redemption- who is a better choice? It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. In March of 1970, Kasabian gave birth to a baby boy, which she named Angel. AND isn't it about time (over 40 years) for the WHOLE truth and nothing but the TRUTH to leak out from the CRACKS in man's so-called civilization. Well done. Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. He is right, the question is not compound. I think my age (time to come full circle) gives me an advantage to understand some things others don't have.I have (after many years) had discussions with folks that I had "conflicts" with (earlier in life) and almost always THEY saw the "conflict" in a DIFFERENT light than ME. Not only that, they all happened to be dramatic and under the surfaces lurks alternative and more reasonable possibilities.For example: Bugliosi had a problem. You'd do it if you were a lawyer ! Millie McCormack. document.write(''); Her contentious relationship with her stepfather eventually led to her dropping out of her high school and running away from her home. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; All the stuff we're interested in wasn't of such weighty consideration for a jury that wanted facts about who did what and why and were they guilty ?And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'There were times when Kanarek's questions just made no sense ! Ya know- Bugs was never going to use Linda if Susan hadn't flipped on her decision to cooperate.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel?? That's about all I have to say. Who amongst us can judge? AND Paul Watkins, who KNEW Charlie INTIMATELY said: "The Black Muslims will prevail in the final Black and White battle. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. Whether Linda engaged in any violence or had the ability to do so isn't the big question here. I think if it has any legs it makes it worse if they were stalking the house- can you say 'premeditation' or 'conspiracy'. St Circumstance saidThat's the point lol. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). Dreath saidI agree with your comment about multiple angles. AND because Bugliosi, a judicial genius, says those phrases equal an attempt to ignite a Black and White race WAR, we got a HUGE problematic controversy.UNLESS Helter Skelter can make you more money than the word "robbery." That makes Ms. Kasabian (as the key witness) a bit of pet project of mine. Though it may sound like an almost insane point to make, I think that the real loser in the entire saga was indeed Linda. The "They had really bad backgrounds and nowhere else to turn" sympathy is appropriate in cases like Diane Lake and Ruth. very young, and not absent- but actually encouraging and contributing to the delinquency of their kids type of parents.But not Linda. Dreath saidWhen Patti Tate asks Good why her sister had to die. Manson announced that it was time for Helter Skelter, the inevitable race war after which he and his followers would take control of America. That the motive for these seven horrendous murders was not money, it was not burglary or robbery. It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. Fits her personality (disorder?). Note all the white faces. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. She was once a member of Charles Manson's Family. I would have testified without a deal" translates when the evidence is revealed to 'I'm not talking even if the sky falls (but I will for immunity)"I thought that story was a pretty lame red herring and so without context. The key impact of both crimes is that Conspiracy to Commit Murder and Felony Murder do not require the defendant to actually kill anyone or even be present when someone is murdered to be guilty of murder. Catch 22s abound.If Linda did in fact have a valid driver's license there is no reason why it would be rejected when she went to see Bobby Beausoleil. Charlie out and free. Im open to another motive and assuming there probably is one, but cant find the same evidence for it that I can for H/S- all am I saying By the way Dreath - if you have never seen it you can go to Back Porch Tapes and watch the video of Beatrice Berry Show- or Bertrice Berry? No one knows why. Sure, I see all that but what are the statistics for us on this site related to those issues? As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. Later, in an effort to give their marriage another chance, she joined Robert Kasabian in Hippie Hangouts of Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, California where he was friends with Charles Blackbeard Melton. Pictured: Kasabian running errands on Tuesday View gallery The. He reinforced it was alright to act on the dangerous impulses this particular assortment of people had. Her testimony eventually led to the convictions of Manson, Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten. Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. She was the angel in a group of murderous devils. Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. I suspect most of "the people affected by what she helped do" just want to live their lives and not be pursued by or pestered by anonymous internetters.My historical interest is not in any of them, though my heart goes out to them. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. We dress them up, change their hair and even work on body language (see, RH comment above). You shouldn't stop- that is fascinating stuff Saint, I just watched that. The woman disappeared and she and Susan had to go looking for her ~ and never found her until they got back to the car and there she was, their lookout ! That is a silly discussion. Kids who got in trouble in school and did not finish high school- and most of them don't go on to become murderers. ?This is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. document.write(part3 + ''); The brackets are my comments. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. If one of the ones that you obviously wanted {the "reasonable" ones} had been accepted as the one, exactly the same thing could be said.How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the groupAt this point, I always like to say that being an angel is not a guaranteed beautiful thing.Satan's an angel !The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. The parts I found 'dramatic' would probably pass many people by. That's where I've found some of the trial and grand jury testimonies and police and lawyer interviews and magazine articles from 1969/70 invaluable.Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury Which Bugliosi didn't jump for joy about. IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. // -->,