The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. And why tear down the whole Broadway EL? Top track level In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. [22] This is the easternmost underground and four-track subway station on the Eastern Parkway Line; to the east (railroad south) of here, the local tracks rises and become the IRT New Lots Line, while the express tracks end at bumper blocks just under Ralph Avenue. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. Hey, me again. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. Noise complaints, and B46 would have to be detoured. As you point out, the area already has subway service. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. You bring up a good point. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. It will cost less. In fact I am writing this today because I want to get ahead of whatever the official plan might state; I have very little faith in MTA planners and I feel that anything they release will be overly designed in a way so that its D.O.A. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. Go for a Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. proposal for a subway stretch closer in on Jamaica Ave. 6. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) The only In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. A 2 track line would only require half the space, 45 feet and with 100ft lots this leaves room for an ingenious workaround. el structures around Broadway Junction. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). And normal service would still be able to run. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. An article today about from Second Avenue Sagas about the 7 line extension station at Hudson Yards, awaiting passengers as the rest of the mega development is completed, reminded us of these.. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Eliminating the bottleneck and interlining will improve frequency at Franklin so the transfer wont take too long. By the way Vanschnooken, I really like your operations-focused outlook; I like that you used your custom track map as a base for all of the ideas you proposed, since tweaking your operations is usually a lot cheaper and effective in the long run. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Just skip it. 34 St- Penn Station. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. That leaves the Broadway portion Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. Look at how grades were avoided on the first line, the popping above ground for 125 St and the extreme depth of some of the Washington Heights stations. IRT 4 or 5 express will have higher headways than Fulton anyway you slice it so the smaller cars are offset with more of them. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. I was talking with someone at the MTA and they mentioned that the planners were playing with the idea of building the relay along side the Bay Ridge because there was more space/cheaper than extending a tunnel south. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. To keep interlining you need to go with the complicated and expensive Rogers rebuild and I dont think that the service pattern justifies the cost. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. It will be express. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. Now for the second option. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. And theres no room there for it. Most of the subway system in New York City no longer has that feel . B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. Far simpler with more capacity. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. Make no little plans, Daniel Burnham is purported to have said, they have no magic to stir mens blood. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? challenge. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. At Utica Avenue, provisions were made for a transfer to the proposed Utica Ave line. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. They must be pillar free for security. In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. But thats not necessarily for the bad. Utica Av/Av D is 464 yards away, 6 min walk. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. Well then what are we waiting for? This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. THE IRT IS 3/4 THE SIZE OF THE IND/BMT FOR A REASON. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. 1,2. Theyll meet up down the road. Abandoned Mineral . 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. tph, equal to 16 A Div. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. As per your proposal. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. So feeding more traffic into LEX which is so crowded while it actually misses the work destinations for most of these new riders might not be the best way to go. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Skip stop on Fulton? Also (while a 4 track yard is good for Relay past Brooklyn College.) Ok, I understand you so desperately want the Rogers Junction to be rebuilt. Might Off-center over roadway. Rolling back to the more germane silliness, I think Ive sniffed out a problem with the proposed local (2, 3) and express (4, 5) split the lower cost workout will lead to. . But after World War II priority shifted to rehabilitating the existing system and even through Utica Ave would be featured in many of the post-War expansion plans there always seemed to be other projects that got chosen first. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. Finnaly, the IRT Utica Av doesnt have the provisions for having a IND Utica Av, so either one of two plans will have to happen: 1- Build a Eastern Pkwy Station under the 3/4 and have a steep incline back up to Empire Blvd so it can be able to portal out wherever (originally I thought it was going to portal out at Empire Blvd but I guess im wrong). and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. something like that on pillars in refurbished station? But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. Hey, that was me. But boring tunnels is much more common these days. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. Pseudo-viaducts. why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. Maybe that money would deliver more bang for the buck if applied here. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. Freeway-style concrete pillars. station. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. Abandoned Stations List; . Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. A lower cost solution to your previous The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. It would reduce the need for bus transfers. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. . The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. 8. Theres nothing stopping that since it runs at a lower frequency. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. Thank you. More complicated than it needs to be. Now we reach Utica Ave. With these and the IRT provisions in place Utica Ave was always so tantalizingly close. is still only two flights up. much cheaper and fits the mtas little goes a long way attitude. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. Just an idea! Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. Touring: F train to East Broadway. At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. PABT-Times Square awkward? 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