You have entered an incorrect email address! IMHO that, along with Verrecchios exhilarating writing style make this site what is-a meeting place to ignite the thinking process. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bp. Mr. David McWhirter, FSSP ('12), are all set to join the priesthood, with three other alumni becoming deacons as well. Good people do not go along w/heresy. Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. Lets move to Louies next post! Tacoma, WA But how to do so when belief seems so uncertain or dark? He knows very well (as he and I had discussed in some detail on more than one occasion) that the SSPX came about as a very direct response to the errors of the Second Vatican Council and the deplorable theology of the Novus Ordo Missae. 6th group sedevacantism those who belong to this group regard the chair of peter vacant there are different variations/groups of sedevacantism but mainly beleive there hastnt been a true pope since the death of pope pius xii 1958.1 of the main reasons they beleive this is that a formal herectic cannot hold office and therefore places himself outside the church. Congrats. Its very uncatholic to pretend you belong to an exclusive club. Oklahoma City, OK A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. hi, Servant of Our Lady, That is why the status of the SSPX is, at this time, technically an internal matter. Once there is a formal declaration of schism, it changes the rules of engagement from an internal to an external matter. That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. Orlando, FL Home Base - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter Home Base by Fr. You do not have a right to hear anymore from me. It was taking the faith seriously that led me to become sedevacantist and it is taking the faith seriously, that my family is going to hell (literally) which led me to break contact with them (as Jesus Christ directs us to do see Matt 18). Colorado Springs, CO His visit was strictly Fraternity business; he is visiting all apostolates in connection with his duties as Superior General. English-speaking Chaplain . http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-divine-mercy-sunday/. The same holds for the FSSP all the statements about the FSSP are true. Even more so, things that are most important also have an uncanny ability to expose our personal limits and insecurities, which we find threatening as they leave us open to criticism, and so engaging them carries its own risks. I cant believe it! Have you noticed the fall off in comments by the regulars? I too have been heartbroken by M Voris recent rants against the SSPX and have diverted my financial support to Harvesting the Fruit. Immigrants featured in new Cathedral exhibit, Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe the Alpha and the Omega, Practicing Catholic host vividly recalls memories, emotions of midnight Mass 12 years ago, Awaken the Heart event March 4 offers chance for an authentic encounter with Christ, Making music, embracing Lent: in step with Caroline Metzinger. Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. Joseph Terra (hes the FSSP priest who was badly beaten in the attack in Phoenix that killed Fr. 5th group SSPX RESISTENCE 2012/2013 these are mostly priests that belong to the SSPX. His position hardened somewhat in his final years (during which, I might maintain, he probably still would have sprung for either the 2000 or 2012 structure deals offered to Fellay, based on what I know of them), but the fact is that he really did try to work obediently if it would be allowed, even to a papacy that was increasingly singing a modernist hymn. His last day at Mater Dei was 8/30/2015. Your charge of detraction and extreme lack of charity are baseless and are based on your feelings not on objective reality. However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. You really need a better source, maybe someone who doesnt provide you with misinformation in order to slander a good and faithful priest. The manner in which certain of the staff at ChurchMilitant.com, the FM College Administration and local FSSP clergy conducted themselves during the disgracing of the school suggests to me that the whole affair informed, hardened or turned the sympathies now on display at CM.com. Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. All in all, the time table laid out herein is accurate. Your question- poignantly phrased- touches on the experience of many a trad. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA The Radical Catholic blog has confirmed from CMTV that Voris and CMTV plagiarized the sermon of a Priest of the FSSP in his attack on the SSPX. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. The SSPX doesnt tell everyone they meet to avoid the FSSP. Voris- shmoriswho cares? First and foremost, however, one must be willing to take a good hard look at the conciliar texts and the new Mass and apply ones intellect as informed by faith. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. Thank you, john6. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz close friend of the FSSP and has does many ordinations for them excommunicated the SSPX in his diocese. The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. The priest claimed that his superior forbid him from submitting to fingerprinting and that out of obedience he had to refuse to follow the diocesan policy. But with any worthwhile risk comes the true opportunity for growth: a gaining of self-knowledge, peace, perspective, and competency. I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. Subjectively, the pope will recognize their jurisdiction at that point. Take a trip over to Novus Ordo Watch to learn about the actual truth of things, not watered down, but assuming those with a genuine sense of the faith will be given the grace to handle it. One of the greatest problems facing Catholics who are trying to understand the crisis is a lack of distinctions and a lack of proper definitions. That a priest who knows that Peter has forbidden him from offering the Sacrifice of the Mass would be so presumptive as to thumb his nose at the Vicar of Christ and say his superiors have given him permission is terrifying terrifying for the soul of that priest. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. We start to get sloppy; our fallen tendency to search out the path of least resistance becomes more insistent. IMHO what you point out is important. FUNERAL HOMES. Im surprised to see terminology used here. Ottawa, ON Liturgical Guides to the Seasons Jeremy Palman. Look more closely into the factions and personalities in and around Irving that split up Fisher Moore College around 2012-14, and you just may find your answers as to whose motives now motivate whom. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. From Archbishop Bernard A. Hebda: I was notified Friday, November 8 that Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, was recalled from his assignment as pastor of the Church of All Saints in Minneapolis by his religious community, the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. Thank you for addressing me, dear my2cents. No need to be so defensive i wrote a short paragraph to explain things to people who read the blog and comments. has his way, they just might get one: Fairy(see) Fellay! 1 of the problems we have is that if your a traditional catholic bad wording but you know what i mean then what tends to happen is you end up in one of those groups in my comment lower down. We would like to express our deepest gratitude to Fr. Watch on EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. But for the Presidents creativity, the College would have failed two years before it did. I do not claim, presume or pretend to belong to an exclusive club. We can end the discussion on this subject . . Los Angeles, CA He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. He also is a member of that parish, and the words he used to describe Fr. Whether an FSSP supporter is willing to admit it or not, he implicitly accepts the orthodoxy, legitimacy and/or intrinsic goodness of the Novus Ordo, ecumenism, religious liberty, communion in the hand, liturgical dance, server-ettes, I am an FSSP parishioner who travels a lot. Louie, your excellent blog is being hijacked. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. Wigratzbad Seminary While a routine and discipline are important (assuming these has been achieved in some measure), mindless routine and lack of discipline prey upon the vitality we, deep down, sense the Faith should inspire. Dear de Maria, thank you for the time in answering my question. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. Saskatoon, SK I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. Please allow us and them to listen to you. Unfortunately, people who follow Bergoglio are not Catholic. Things had got worse since 1970 and the SSPX Was trying to compromise its previous postion on the council with rome order to be accepted by rome. Im pretty much thinking the same thing. All rights reserved. Join Fr. In one such frame, a building that houses a ladder company is on fire, and as the employees look out from a third story window, the caption has them wishing how they could find a way to climb down. Sunday Masses will . As such, he looked upon the SSPX and its purpose for existing with, if not with support, a degree of understanding that is now nonexistent. All it takes for evil to happen is for good people to do nothing but keep walkin along w/Pope Francis. I dont know what it means to be disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. What would such an occasion look like for me as a layman? In the early days of the Novus Ordo priests and some Bishops understood that they had to give that scandal in order to protect souls from sliding into heresy and losing the Faith. Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. Thanks to their refusal to travel with so many others in the direction of heterodoxy on a road that is paved with the ambiguities and errors of Vatican II and the protestantized rite that grew out of it, the sinful men running the show in Rome, the pope included, are seeing to it that the SSPX is denied formal jurisdiction. Of charity are baseless and are based on your feelings not on objective reality badly beaten in the attack Phoenix. Of cure to fr saguto, fssp nothing but keep walkin along w/Pope Francis perspective, and words... 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